RL: How was the tour so far?
Scratch: The tour was phenomenal man, it was great. It has been packed, sold out, oversold. The show has been incredible.
RL: Well it is a club tour and the two of you are famous battle-DJs, how do you change your set for gigs like these?
Scratch: The people they come, they know what we do; they are expecting to see what we are known for. All three of us are battle-DJs and we do what we do. Q-Bert is throwing some breaks, because he does the bboy-thing. We all do that bboy-thing, you know I come to watch Q-Bert’s set every night, I love the breaks he is throwing and his incredible scratching performance-
Q-Bert: He is my MC too.
Scratch: Yeah I also get on the Mic for him. (laughs) You know, the fans love what we do. They don’t want to see us doing stuff they don’t expect. They know Q-Bert does the incredible scratching, they know I am doing the incredible scratching and rocking the party and they know Rafik won the world championship of DMC, so they know he is going to cut it up also.
RL: So how is the running order tonight, what can we expect? Is each one of you performing or joining forces?
Scratch: No, we all are performing one on one. You know – everything can happen when we are out there.
Q-Bert: Yeah maybe we are doing something together tonight, who knows.
RL: Last year Jazzy Jeff came around with the coke dj-culture tour and he performed with Final Scratch. What is your opinion on inventions like this-Final Scratch, Serato?
Q-Bert: Actually we are getting sponsored by the people that made Final Scratch. They left Final Scratch and they are making something double the processing speed of Serato.
Scratch: Traktor.
Q-Bert: Yeah, they are from here, right?
Scratch: Yeah they have an office in Germany, in Berlin. But it doesn’t matter what you use. If you are a whack DJ, you are going to be whack on Serato, Final Scratch, CD, Vinyl, Ipod. If you are an incredible DJ, you are going to be incredible. And Jazz is an incredible DJ, so it doesn’t matter what he uses, as long as he gets the job done.
RL: So are you still buying vinyl or focusing on iTunes?
Scratch: Still buying vinyl. But only the vinyl that’s worth getting. Like right now-that records that are being made are not worth having. As far as from-2005 and back I have everything on vinyl, from Rock to Pop to HipHop. And I still dig for beats because I am a producer also. That’s the difference between certain DJs and new MP3-Serato DJs. Every record that I play I have on vinyl.
RL: How come that you became a producer?
Scratch: I was always a producer, from day one. I have been a producer before we knew what the title producer was. Back in like the late 70ies, the early 80ies the DJ was always responsible for the music. Whether you were playing the beats for the rappers or making a demo in the studio, the DJ was always the person that had to make the beat, so I have been producing from day one. I started to get into producing seriously in 1990.
RL: And do you think former DJs have something like an advantage for being a producer?
Scratch: Definitely. DJs have the ear for what the people want. When you dj at a club or concert or whatever, you know what the crowd is going to like and you know what the crow is not going to like. When you are playing at a party you can’t play a Bob Marley record that’s nice and slow, you will have to play something that’s up-tempo, something with a lot of energy. And you take the same opinion into the studio when you are making a beat. The best producers are DJs.
RL: Scratch, you supported EPMD back in the days, Q-Bert: how come you never teamed up with a rapgroup?
Q-Bert: I don’t know I just guess I was working on a lot of solo stuff like the movie we did and the scratch instructions, how to scratch, things like that. Than there were no good scratch tools so we had to make our own vinyl. We did music for videogames and music for other things besides rap and stuff-I had a lot of opportunities of course but I never have really stuck with one. Scratch is really lucky to be in New York where the best rappers are around, there is not really that many around the bay area.
RL: More on the underground level.
Q-Bert: Yeah, very very underground.
RL: So back in the days: were there any rappers that came to you, asking for support?
Q-Bert: Well I did an album with Kool Keith, Ultramagnatic MCs.
RL: And did you think of producing also?
Q-Bert: Yeah I did some stuff too, but more on beats and stuff. Scratch is teaching me about harmonics, that’s a whole new world. But he is in it for a very long time, so I am just like a student of him right now. (Laughs)
RL: We heard that you invited Rafik to San Francisco, how come and what are your plans?
Q-Bert: I didn’t really invite him; he wanted to move there after he hung out with us. He caught the vibe and-
RL: So it’s not like a project of teaching him something?
Q-Bert: Oh no, I learn from him too – We learn from each other.
RL: Are you trying to do something together?
Q-Bert: Yeah I’d love to. He decided to come to us, he likes it there, and I think we will do something.
RL: Do you think the environment can improve the work?
Q-Bert: Yes, like Scratch was saying: when you live in the city with all the grime and grip you get a vibe for it. Your HipHop will become mean music; it’s that whole mentality stuff.
RL: When you started back in the days, I guess HipHop was more a culture thing than today when every discipline is separating: graffiti or-
Q-Bert: Well I know a lot of bboys and also a lot of graffiti-artists that still get the vibe.
RL: But it’s not that feeling like back in the days-.
Scratch: No it’s still that feeling, it’s just a subculture, it’s not back in the days that’s all there was. There wasn’t mainstream HipHop back then. It was just straight underground. It started in the un-derground and spread to Rap, HipHop, you know, the Dirty South and the Midwest, the West-Coast HipHop. But there is always been the underground, the underground never changed. You go to a underground-party and it’s packed. The person as a DJ or the person that is performing probably never even sold one album but have the upmost diehard fans, because the underground never turns its back on an underground artist. That never changed. The mainstream just blew up so big, that you might think that.
RL: Well here in Germany I get the feeling its separating, you got a lot of graffiti artist, that strictly listen to rock saying I don’t want that HipHop shit anymore, its too much gangster stuff.
Scratch: Well that’s why you got to listen to the classics. Classics last forever. They are not making quality HipHop right now, that’s why the classics are called classics. When Q-Bert plays breakbeats, these records are like 20 or 30 years old. Classic breaks, that’s how HipHop began. The rapgame is totally different now, but when you go to a graffiti or bboy session, the DJ is playing breakbeats and old records: He is not playing the shit that is made right now. The hit records that are made right now last for 6 months – classics last forever.
RL: Well but sometimes you need some time to check a record is a classic-
Scratch: Nah, you will know if it’s a classic.
RL: You don’t think some music is growing with the time?
Scratch: You’ll know if it’s a classic. If it’s a record with a dance you will know that it’s not going to be a classic. (Laughs)
RL: So what was the last records that in your opinion stuck out as a classic?
Scratch: Mh, there is a few. In this modern era I would say Jay-Z:”Blueprint”. That was the last classic HipHop album that you could listen to from start to finish. And you could play it right now, people would still go crazy in the club.
RL: In an interview like 2 or 3 years ago, which was about you producing new shit for Busta Rhymes, you have been asked about the rapgame and the boom of the south .And you said its up on us to bring the big apple back in the game-
Scratch: Well it wasn’t even that, it wasn’t about the south; the south always did their thing. Just because the south was played everywhere, radio and everything-you know they wasn’t selling a lot of records, they were just getting a lot of airplay and a lot of exposure. What people don’t understand is that most of the south artists was signed from New York labels. You know what I am saying, Ludacris is signed to Def Jam, a New York label. Lil Jon was signed from TVT in New York. T.I. was signed to Atlantic Records in New York. Most people don’t understand that a lot of the south artists was owned by New York people. Young Joc, signed by Puffy. It’s all New York, you know what I mean. The thing was that the labels weren’t signing any New York artists anymore and I wasn’t blaming the labels, I was blaming the young artists, cause the only thing they was rhyming about was how many people they are going to fuck and kill and how many drug they was going to sell. The lyrical quality stuck, like it doesn’t exist anymore. So we made that record mixed with beats to wake up the young New York rappers: stop rhyming about killing people and start rhyming about how nice you are on the Mic. The south, they gonna make their little records about their dances and shit, that’s their thing, that’s cool. But you will have to start your thing also. When we made that record, it made a lot of young artists like “shit, that’s how simple it is?”. We made one record and it woke up New York and the east coast to get back on the MC shit.
RL: But it didn’t have that big impact. You got the Wu-tang album everybody was looking forward to-
Scratch: The Wu-Tang album was whack man. If you are not on top of your game – you are not on top of your game. The Busta Rhymes album was like the best album of 2006. We had to lead by example. If we make some banging shit it’s up to you to make some banging shit too. This is the blueprint for the shit you need to do. If other artists can’t get focused on making good music its on them. I am planning on being here another 10-20 years making good music, this is my 20th anniversary. My 20th anniversary since I went to a music seminar. My first hit record I produced in 1990. And I am still making hit records every year since then. I am focused, so the rest of them, they got to get focused. If they don’t get focused, you get to see them only on their Myspace-pages.
RL: Sounds depressing…
Scratch: And you know what, you can’t even really blame the young artists, because people have always been inspired by things that happened before them. I was inspired by Grandmaster Flash, I became a DJ because of him. And a lot of people started DJing because they saw me or Q-Bert. Certain people are influenced by great things. But there are more people that are inspired by bullshit. If all you hear on the radio is “Yo, I sell coke and jump on my helicopter and blow your head of, take your kids and blow of your wig”, you know what I mean? That’s all the new kids know. They don’t know about Big Daddy Kane, Kool G Rap, Rakim , KRS One, they don’t know about that. All they know is what they hear on the radio and that’s all they rhyme about. And the younger kids will rhyme about the same bullshit that these people rhyme about. So it takes people from my era to tell these kids: go listen to Big Daddy Kane, go listen to Kool G Rap, go listen to Rakim, listen to KRS, listen to Biggie, listen to early Jay-Z and understand that there is so many different things to say. For example Jay-Z is like an ultimate poet. He can talk about the same shit all time, that he hustles, sells drugs, but he can say the same thing 50 different ways. He can say “I love you” 50 different ways-and that’s a poet. A lot of people they got to learn how to put their words together man.
RL: EPMD was planned to do a tour in Germany last year but it was cancelled and said that they are working on new stuff, a new album. Are you in contact, know what’s coming?
Scratch: Yeah they are working on a new album, they are slow but they will get there. It better be right, they know that.
RL: Q-Bert you have been a judge at the DMCs, are also in the hall of fame, were you sometimes tensed to compete with the young cats at the finals?
Q-Bert: Oh no, I don’t think so. I mean there is a lot of new stuff, new tricks and I kind of focus on just like scratching and playing the turntable like a musician. I just like scratching so much that this is all I do. I don’t think I’m able to compete with them.
RL: How important are show elements in a set, something like putting a mask on or setting the turntables on fire.
Q-Bert: Its entertainment.
Scratch: I do all kinds of crazy shit. Like I always say: once you are in a battle its time to use the popularity you get and try to get money out of it. Start a career.
RL: So you brought the hockey mask?
Scratch: I think I did.
RL: Q-Bert, your name is taken from a videogame, you also had a character at “Tony Hawks”-have you played a lot back in the days?
Q-Bert: Oh yeah. It’s a lot of fun and it influenced me.
RL: Funny, because a lot of people think videogames influence people on killing other people and it’s somehow the same with music.
Scratch: It’s a form of entertainment; you can’t blame videogames on people being killed. Everything starts at the home from respect to everything else. A videogame is not making you kill anybody. If that was the case then everybody who saw an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie would also be a killer. We would all be Terminators. We would also Die Hard 1 to fucking 50. It all starts at home, your parents have to tell you: that shit is not real. If you going to jump out of that window – you are going to die, you are not superman, superman is a fictional character.
RL: Did you have problems at home with your parents listening to rapmusic?
Scratch: No, not at all.
Q-Bert: My parents are from the Philippines so they didn’t really understand the music. But some-times it was like “ah I like that beat”.
Scratch: My mom listened to rapmusic back in the days because she is a big James Brown fan and most of the rapmusic back in the 80ies was James Brown samples. So she enjoyed it. The only prob-lem I had was like “Turn the god damn music down”. But when I started making a lot of money, they complaining stopped. (Laughs)
RL: Maybe one last question: What would you suggest the young people that want to start as a DJ?
Q-Bert: Make up your own rules, I guess. Learn the basics first. Everyone wants to go fast and crazy but you should just learn how to do it simple and having fun.
Scratch: Yeah learn the basic art of being a DJ. Catch the beat on time, cleanly. Crawl before you walk. Learn the basics. Once you learned the basics you can just create anything. Don’t learn the fastest scratch first. If somebody put you on “yo, could you keep this beat going while I rap?” and you don’t know how to do it? If you see a DJ at a club scratching while the people wanna dance, that’s a DJ that didn’t learn the basics.